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    IF U STILL DONT BELIEVE ME AFTER U READ THIS U GOT ISSUES

    WHY THIS SYSTEM WILL SUCK ASS

    1. No Live! In fact, sony came out and recently announced that they're not even going to bother to build an answer to Xbox Live.

    Sony, you can keep your ability to plug in 7 controllers. I'll take being able to play with 63 other players on live in a fps over 7 controllers any day of the week.

    2. The 36.5 megabits per second blu ray drive that Sony is squeezing into the PS3.

    The BD-Rom drive that's going to be used in the PS3 has a speed of 36.5 MBits per second. 36.5megaBITS per second, not megaBYTES. 8bits=1byte=4.5megaBYTES per second. http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

    This is because the technology for the drives will still be in it's infancy when the ps3 is being launched.

    That means in order to fill the 256MB cache (to load a decent sized race on GT4 let's say) will take about 56 seconds of waiting.

    To fill the same 256MB cache on the xbox 360's 12x DVD drive read at 15.75MB/s (megabytes) = 15 seconds

    I know you know your math.

    If you want an idea of how long a minute is, try staring at a clock for a minute and see how bored you get.

    I'm not going to stand for huge loading times next gen as well. Long load times are meant to be a thing of the past. But Sony is making sure that's not the case by insisting on using Blu Ray drives when the technology (and their read speeds) are still so early.

    On top of this, Playstation 3 Blu Ray drive will cost Gamers $100+ per console. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25901

    And within 1 year, once blu-ray movies actually start coming out, the same $100 would probably buy you a far faster 4x or 8x blu-ray player that functions a lot better (compare watching dvds on a standalone player vs. on the original ps2). And do you really think that, if blu-ray does come out on top, that the 360 won't release with a version that can play bluray versions as well? Legally, as long as MS pays the same small fees that other blu ray player manufacterers pay to use sony's tech, Sony can't stop MS from putting blu ray drives in their 360s. And by then, the drives will likely be a lot cheaper, and a lot faster than the once found on the launch PS3s.

    3. Opting for 8 USB ports and multiple memory card readers over a HDD.

    There's no reason to put in like 8 usb ports and all these freaking memory card reader and all these other ports that no one wants. We can buy a memory card adapter if we want.

    We don't need 3 ethernet ports, one will be more than plenty. JUST INCLUDE 4 USB 2.O PORTS, 1 ETHERNET PORT, SUPPORT FOR SONY MEMORY STICK DUOS (since that's what psp uses and that's what makes Sony the most money) AND THE STUFF TO CONNECT TO ANALOG AND HDTVS.

    USE THE MANUFACTURING COSTS YOU SAVE TO THROW IN A CHEAP 5GB HDD so developers can make games like Blinx or FFXI or use the HDD to reduce load times and stuff.

    IF A SMALL HDD IS INCLUDED IN EVERY SYSTEM, EVERY DEVELOPER WILL USE IT TO REDUCE LOAD TIMES. Don't you guys want developers to use the hdd to reduce loadtimes, to make games like FFXI that require a HDD? wouldn't that be better than a bunch of useless ports that no one will use that you can just buy an adapter for if you really need?

    SELL THE ADAPTER TO CONNECT OLD PS2 AND PS1 GAMES SEPERATELY FOR LIKE $10 AND YOU'LL MAKE ENOUGH TO COMPENSATE FOR THE HDD. Once we transfer all our old saves over to the HDD, we can just sell it on ebay or something and it's one less ugly port we have to look at.

    HDD = Custom soundtracks, downloadable content, FFXI style mmorpgs, faster load times.

    Multiple seperate Memory Card Readers Built in = Worthless

    4. Sony disabling the ability to have LAN parties (without getting wired controllers) by insisting on using bluetooth controllers over Infrared ones.

    "Bain admitted that the wireless signal could be interfered with by another nearby PlayStation 3 console and in those instances where many consoles would be close by, such as at a LAN party, it would be necessary to default to using wired controllers"

    5. The Cell.

    Not only is the cell processor going to jack up the price of the PS3 quite a bit. It's greatly bottlenecked by the 512 MBs of L2 Cache (the 360 has twice that much L2 Cache).

    For all the hype about the cell. Guess what, the processor means jack when it comes to gaming. 3 3.2 ghz cores vs. 1 3.2 ghz core and 7 PPEs mean nothing. What matters for gaming is the GPU. And most reports (anandtech etc.) state that the 360's graphics card is almost a generation more advanced. This makes sense, ATI built the card from the ground up with technology that won't make it's way into PC cards for atleast an year or so. The NVIDEA card in the PS3 is identical to the card as what'll be available for the PC in a month or two. The only thing that the cpu will actually matter for is the AI. And AI is more depenedent on L2 cache (this is what ultimately determines the number of simultanous algorithms you can run at any one time) than on processing speed. And guess what, the 360's has twice the L2 cache of the PS3's Cell!

    6. No requirement to make developers use 720p.

    People make the ps3s 1080i sound like it's going to be standard. All that sony said was the the PS3 supports aka. can theoretically output 1080i.

    Guess what, the original xbox "supports" 720p (identical to how the ps3 will "support" 1080i).

    Want to guess how many xbox games actually came out offering 720p? I'll give you one guess.

    Want to take a guess how many ps3 games wil actually offer 1080i (Or the even more useless dual monitor output) esp. considering how much extra work it'll be to render everything at that resolution for two monitors - as if the PS3's measily 512 L2 Cache isn't already enough of a bottleneck?

    The cool thing about the 360 is that all the games are required to support 720p, and considering that's a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher resolution than dvds, it's more than enough.

    7. Accessible cost

    Blu-ray wont be cheap! Cell won't be cheap! Odds are, when the PS3 finally does come out, MS will lower the price a bit and the PS3 will cost a small fortune by comparison. The discs cost a small fortune to manufacture, don't expect games under $70 atleast for an year or so, and if then you consider the development costs who knows!

    8.The Games.

    Well this one is kind of a toss up. The Xbox 360's Kameo, Enchant Arm, Perfect Dark (drool), RE5, Gears of War, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, FPS, Racers (Forza, PGR), DoA etc. vs. GTA 4 and whatever sequels Sony has planned. What is true is the the 360s gaming library will get a one year headstart, and the PS3's will probably take a long time to catch up, if ever.

    9. The Design.

    Well this is personal opinion too. But who came with the brilliant idea to model it after a building anyways? Fire them and make it look next gen. My old Atari Jaguar looks less crappy. YOU CALL THAT A NEXT GEN DESIGN!? There is really no symmetry to it at all. Put the drive in the middle, get rid of the weird ridges and make it actually look smooth in the front and back and well. Then you have a nextgen looking consoles.

    IT REALLY WOULDN'T TAKE MANY ALTERATIONS TO MAKE THE CONSOLE LOOK AWESOME, GET RID OF THE RIDGES SO ITS LOOKS PERFECTLY SMOOTH ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK, MOVE THE CD TRAY TO THE MIDDLE TO MAKE THE CONSOLE SYMMETRICAL. IT WOULD LOOK AWESOME.

    10. Developer Hell.

    No one has any experience working with the Cell. 7 PPEs, seriously, you think any developer is going to have any idea how to utilize them? Just making a game that uses dual processors takes a 50% larger budget. Meanwhile, developers are already raving about how much easier Microsoft's standards and XNA development kits are making it to develop 360 games. And it's a heck of a lot cheaper to manufacture the discs too. Even small developers with just $100,000 can make their own game and sell it via Xbox Live marketplace.

    And as already mentioned the L2 cache of the PS3's cell in miniscule. Most PC processors and the 360's processor have twice the cache. To make a processor with half the cache and expect it to be shared among 7 PPEs is just asking for developers to curse Sony day and night.

    On top of all this, by the time the PS3 launches, developers will have had loads of experience of utilizing the 360. Expect the 2nd generation 360 games using much smaller budgets to blow the first generation PS3 games out of the water graphically.
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    10. Developer Hell.

    No one has any experience working with the Cell. 7 PPEs, seriously, you think any developer is going to have any idea how to utilize them? Just making a game that uses dual processors takes a 50% larger budget. Meanwhile, developers are already raving about how much easier Microsoft's standards and XNA development kits are making it to develop 360 games. And it's a heck of a lot cheaper to manufacture the discs too. Even small developers with just $100,000 can make their own game and sell it via Xbox Live marketplace.
    at least sony is pushing the envelope on more than just what the eye sees. the xbox360 is a feast to the eyes, yes. but ps3 is taking another path.. many game-developers have already praised ps3 (such as Hideo Kojima, creator of metal gear series). it is more advanced and will allow very interesting games and not just "good ol' highspeed action"
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsh
    at least sony is pushing the envelope on more than just what the eye sees. the xbox360 is a feast to the eyes, yes. but ps3 is taking another path.. many game-developers have already praised ps3 (such as Hideo Kojima, creator of metal gear series). it is more advanced and will allow very interesting games and not just "good ol' highspeed action"
    very true and valid point, i think that the ps3 will own the 360 coz of the blueray drive, the storage capacity alone gives me reason to get it, because the games will be much bigger and more detailed than the 360s, and tw, microsoft sucks, and should be stopped because its just another one of those companies that have gotten a lil bt too big. everyone who can, run linux.
     

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    the drive is why the load times will be minuets long
    CDS BLOW 8-TRAC IS WARE IT IS AT

    I MODDED MY PS2 TO PLAY 8-TRAC TAPES BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THAT SONY PICE OF CRAP IS WORTH

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    1. Sony said they are creating an online system. They also have said it will be free. Good game. (Sony KNOWS they must do this.)

    You can play online, and I think playing with seven of your closest friends and telling them to their face you own them, rather than playing 31 + people you don't know.


    2. The final version of the blu-ray drive has not been complete. You know for a fact that it is that slow, do you own the drive that they will be using for PS3?

    So, since you do not have the final, working blu-ray drive everything you just said was null and void.

    It said this on its site "It turns out that at the release of the console in the first half of 2006," we do not know the release date of the PS3. Thusly, it said so itself..it will cost 100$ for thefirst half. Somehow I doubt the PS3 is coming then. Even if it is, they do not know how many advancements will be made with the drive since that article.

    Secondly, I recall a certain very popular format that is used today that was in its infancy when It was released on the PS2. Good game.

    Microsoft will never convert to blu-ray with the 360. No way in hell. They scoffed at sony when they said they were going with blu-ray. HD-DVD is microsofts only choice, and they most likely will not release that drive for 2 + years...unless they package it with Halo3. That is the only way a lot of people will have the drive. other wise it will be used just like the PS2 hard drive, almost never.


    3. Has sony said they will not include an HDD from the start? I certainly don't remember that. The memory card readers is a very smart idea for people who own 200$ + digital cameras, they use SD memory. They dont want to buy MS. very smart move in my idea.

    Now the USB ports, I really don't know. but it could possibly be used for a wired controller...which is a smart move.

    DO YOU RELIZE THAT not every Xbox 360 has a HDD? Obviously then Microsoft is going down as well....idiot...


    4. Truly I don't know enough on the subject to argue about the quote. It is very possible.

    But, 7 people is enough in my opinion.


    5. It is one of the most powerful chips, if not the powerful on the market. (well, its not on the market yet...but you know what I mean). Its potential has not been realized, and just because it has this, doesn't mean its not as good as the Xbox 360's. Are all the magazines and websites that say it is the better chip wrong? I guess so by what you said.

    You know what? The PS3's graphics card, the one that has been announced, is twice the power of the most powerful Nvidea card available right now. I like ATI better than NVIDEA, for a reason that I do not know, but this card is looking very advanced. And Hmmmmmmmm, The 360 games right now do not even look that good. Yes, "next gen," but not nex tgen enough. I still see many jaggies in CoD 2, and thats with the 20 minutes I played on my friends xbox.

    You know that trailer of MGS4? Hideo Kojima was controlling a thing with those exact graphics. Outplays 360. Good game.


    6. (isn't it able to do 1080p? maybe i'm wrong on this, I honestly can't remember)

    You know what? That means more developers will develop for PS3, and actually make money...as opposed to releasing a game through the 360 marketplace. The PS2 showed that games with no req with graphics can succeed and Sony isn't requiring them to do special crap, just make a game.

    The "useless" dual moniter out put is a PERFECT addition. 7 people over TWO SCREENS IS A GREAT IDEA. it is like lanning 2 xbox's together. OWNED. Why would sony put the feature in if it can't handle the feature, obviously you are overly criticle of the cell.

    And considering teams that don't have enough money to make a game for 720p who will they develop for? Definently not microsoft.


    7. I'm sorry, I think Microsofts 60$ for its titles are too much. Especially since almost all of their sports games got lower than a 7 (or a 7) average. Pshh, you saying the PS3's games are gonna be overpriced. way to be hypocritical.

    Sony said they will be taking a hit on their system, they did with the PS2 and the PS1.


    8. ROFL, obviously you aren't accustomed to the 80 million PS2 owners > 20 million xbox owners.

    The many more games sold on the ps2 than the xbox.

    You put all those in and say that PS3 only has GTA. ONLY HAS GTA.

    GTA IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONSOLE SERIES IN AMERICA.

    Rockstar said they will not put the game on the xbox, you know why? cause the disk isn't big enough. DEVELOPERS CAN NOT FIT THE NEXT GEN graphics on their measly disks.

    Don't complain about the Blu-ray when this is going on.

    Oh, and many people are complaining about perfect dark's graphics, that it is too shiny. After all that time Rare couldn't make a game with great single-player... Sad, perfect dark has gone into the horrible abyss of online only. Xicrosoft is fooked if all it focuses on is online.

    *ahem* MGS4 is going to be on ps3. 'nuff said.


    9. The console looks fine to me, but to all his own. The gray doesn't look real good, but the white and black is awesome to me.

    People complain about the controller, but what abou the complaints abou tthe duelshock that it wouldn't fit their hands. This one is probobly a hello of a lot more comfortable. More comfortable = better playing experiance.

    The xbox 360's contrller doesn't fit my hands, but this may be due to my playing psp for 8 months.

    10.To answer you question: Obviously Hideo Kojima, *looks at MGS4 thing again, drools*

    The live marketplace is not a way for developers to make a lot of money; most likely.

    As I've already said, you have not developed for cell..therefore you do not know everything you say.

    The cache might be small, but perhaps the chip works around that. Why has it been harolded as the biggest breakthrough in the chip market? Seriously, to say the chip is bad is like saying the invention of the computer hasn't helped the world.

    On top of all of this, many devolpers will wait for their big games to be released on the PS3. my point proven by Rockstar.

    Expect the developers to know how to create games using the chip since they have had some since May.



    I do not claim to be an expert in any of this, but I do my research. I am not bias for any system this next gen, but I find that many of your points are pure speculation...and since you are not an insider; that you do not know every decision the sony execs are going to do. To claim that the PS3 will fail is pure Idiocy. Wait to make yourself look like an idiot.

    (there will most likely be many spelling mistakes due to the fact that I have not spellchecked myself at all).


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    nice review both of u

    i personally am liking the 360 right now(dont own one)..but ive played my friends..ofcourse everyones gonna be amzaed by the graphics

    what i like aobut the ps3 is the HUGE storage on the blu-ray discs
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    still this will be a good fight we will just half to what to see when the ps3 comes out
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    yea..ur right POPE..it WILL be a close battle
    i think some people who wanted the PS3 couldnt wait any longer so they just gave in for the 360..bad choice?..well, ur opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrmdb3
    yea..ur right POPE..it WILL be a close battle
    i think some people who wanted the PS3 couldnt wait any longer so they just gave in for the 360..bad choice?..well, ur opinion
    and I know a lot of people that gave up on 360 when they found out GTA will be PS3 exclusive. And a few (like 25 that will wait for revo).

    Another 30 + are doing what I am doing, waiting untill all three are out and then deciding.
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    Hmm i dont think the PS3 will die LOL but its going to be a good battle. Personally i like XBOX 360 cause of XBOX live greatest Invention ever. YEa Gta on PS3 sucks ass but then I just think of all the Positiveleties with Halo 3 *Drools* and say Fuck it Halo 3 and xbox live is all i need. And Yea THe guy who created Metal Gear SOlid is a SOny fanboy so its only logical that he would Praise it. But see the funny thing is Most developers choose to develop for 360 Cause its easier!! SO were getting Lots of more Games YAY!! And also everyone is trying to get there hands on a 360 what happend to Next Dreamcast?? And dont say yea dreamcast was succefull in the beggining cause i do know that but they were plenty of them in stores EVERYWHERE!!!
    ANd i will say to matrix rants is just your opinion most of it is all BS . SUre u have MGS4 and Gta LEt me say this Clearly HALO 3 achuuuu Gears Of War !!!! yea that sounds good .... enought said.... game over no competition
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    But The Thing That Matters Is When The Ps3 Comes Out A Year After The 360
    The 360 Graphex ( I Cant Spell Worth A Dam ) Will Be Perfected Like The Cube That Came
    Out With Games Like Mario Now There Are Games Like Resident Evil 4 So U Can See The
    360 Has A One Year Jump On Games And Graphex ( Once Again I Cant Spell )
    CDS BLOW 8-TRAC IS WARE IT IS AT

    I MODDED MY PS2 TO PLAY 8-TRAC TAPES BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THAT SONY PICE OF CRAP IS WORTH

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    sony can hide things very well. they jump out and surprise the shit out of us with some thing revolutionary sides the only reason i bought da 360 was jay lo 3

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    just wait......the PS3 will be awesome!


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    I think that whole first thing was 80% oppinionative, hell, im not a fanboy of either company, but seriously, how can you say something doesn't look "next gen" Blu-ray is better due to the storage capacity, and if you think about it, if your game experience can be 4 times as long as the Xbox's games because of higher storage capacity, then a 1 minute load time, doesnt really matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidjr1989
    ! And also everyone is trying to get there hands on a 360 what happend to Next Dreamcast?? And dont say yea dreamcast was succefull in the beggining cause i do know that but they were plenty of them in stores EVERYWHERE!!!
    ANd i will say to matrix rants is just your opinion most of it is all BS . SUre u have MGS4 and Gta LEt me say this Clearly HALO 3 achuuuu Gears Of War !!!! yea that sounds good .... enought said.... game over no competition
    Way to be a moron. Dreamcast was the biggest thing, it had a huge launch. Then the PS2 advertisements came about a month later, then everyone switched their projects to PS2. WAY TO BE A DUMBASS.

    Yes, a lot of what I say is my opiniong, (excluding above statement) but at least I have good sentence structure combined with a commen knowledge of the english language.

    you on the other hand say this...

    "ANd i will say to matrix rants is just your opinion most of it is all BS . SUre u have MGS4 and Gta LEt me say this Clearly HALO 3 achuuuu Gears Of War !!!! yea that sounds good .... enought said.... game over no competition"

    No, most of it is not BS, just because you do not have any knowledge on the subject doesn't mean you can say my statements are null.

    And 2. I remember clearly stating I do not know which system I will buy. It is up to the games that come out on each system to sway me. The big deal for me really is who square enix is going with, if it is with xbox, then xbox it is for me. If it is ps3, then ps3 for me. For both, I don't know. (If ff7 is updated on ps3, i am buying it.)

    Gears of War looks really good...THEN AGAIN, so did Killzone 1. We know that cool graphics and a great story don't make a great game.

    as for Halo3. I have never liked the series. I have it on computer, I had it on xbox. Honestly, its not a great online game. Newbs like it, and newbs love it. The hard-core FPSers are playing counterstrike and call of Duty on the PC.
    But then again, that means there are a lot of Newbs in America. Maybe I just don't get the game. Wait, I played and beat both, fuck that shit.

    Good game, and good night.

    The dumbass inside of you rears its ugly head a lot lately. Just because I made the fight more fair to both sides of the equation doesn't mean you should try to disprove (using almost no common sense at all).
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