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  1. #1 Judge wants TorrentSpy to become an MPAA spy 
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    http://torrentfreak.com/torrentspy-ordered...lf-of-the-mpaa/

    <div class='quotetop'></div><div class='quotemain'>On May 29, TorrentSpy - one of the web’s most famous .torrent dump sites was told by federal judge Jacqueline Chooljian in the Central District of California that despite the site’s privacy policy which states they will never monitor their visitors without consent, they must start creating logs detailing their user’s activities.

    Understandably, this is a worrying move by the court - even more so when one considers these logs must then be turned over to the MPAA. This is believed to be the first time a judge has ordered a defendant to log visitor activity and then hand over the information to the plaintiff. The decision - arrived at last month but under seal - could force sites that are defendants in a law suit to track the actions of their visitors.

    The owners have been granted a stay of the order in order to make an appeal, which must be filed by June 12, says Ira Rothken, TorrentSpy’s attorney.

    “It is likely that TorrentSpy would turn off access to the U.S. before tracking its users,” said Rothken. “If this order were allowed to stand, it would mean that Web sites can be required by discovery judges to track what their users do even if their privacy policy says otherwise.”

    This action follows MPAA action in 2006 against several BitTorrent sites, TorrentSpy included. According to the MPAA, Torrentspy helps others commit copyright infringement by directing people to sites which enable them to download copyright material, an offense claims the MPAA, of secondary copyright infringement.

    At the time, Rothken said “It [TorrentSpy] cannot be held ‘tertiary’ liable for visitors’ conduct that occurs away from its web search engine”. TorrentSpy claims it did nothing illegal and suggested the MPAA should sue Google.

    An attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation referred to the order to demand a defendant log visitor activity and then hand over the information to the plaintiff as “unprecedented.” He continued “In general, a defendant is not required to create new records to hand over in discovery. We shouldn’t let Web site logging policies be set by litigation”

    One way or another, it seems that the MPAA is determined to obtain information about TorrentSpy and its users. A complaint issued by TorrentSpy suggests the MPAA paid a hacker $15,000 to steal e-mail correspondence and trade secrets. The hacker admitted that this was true.</div>

    I would like to say a few things....
    One, does this judge even knows how torrents work?

    Two, whatever happened to the 5th amendment?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendme...es_Constitution

    Three, Torrentspy.com is hosted in the Netherlands. How does a US Judge or the MPAA have any jurisdiction there at all? I'm sure this looks great for the US public image.... another attempt to police the world. Unfortunately, the actual company is based in the USA.

    Four.... an MPAA employed hacker?! The MPAA's case should be out the window, right now! :mad: Does this judge even know what she's doing? Does she think she's the principal of an elementary school?!

    More links....
    http://www.digg.com/security/Stop_Using_To...acking_Visitors
    http://news.com.com/2100-1030_3-6189866.html
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  2. #2 Judge wants TorrentSpy to become an MPAA spy 
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    I f***ing read about this at LL and spit out my soda >_< Here's hoping private trackers like Demonoid, OiNK and X264 don't succumb to judges too..
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    And hopefully TorrentSpy can still successfully appeal this and it doesn't happen.
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    Yeah, let's hope.
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  5. #5 Judge wants TorrentSpy to become an MPAA spy 
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    <span style="color:DarkOrchid">Please don't take mah demonoid. >.<</span>
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  6. #6 Judge wants TorrentSpy to become an MPAA spy 
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    It should be a little harder for them to get to private torrent sites... well at least I think so.
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    http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-972....html?tag=head

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    WHAT THE HELL?!

    The MPAA is arguing that user information stored in RAM should be turned over as evidence! TorrentSpy doesn't collect users IP addresses to files, so it's only stored in RAM, but because it IS in the RAM.... this annoying judge is ordering TorrentSpy to enable IP logging. I hate that judge. She seems extremely biased against TorrentSpy and almost like she could be one of the people getting money out of the RIAA/MPAA's pockets... it wouldn't surprise me one bit if she really was getting money from them.
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    It wouldn't surprise me if she was hired by the MPAA.
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    <span style="color:DarkOrchid">This system is so corrupt, it wouldn't surprise me. Even if illegal downloads have taken place from TorrentSpy, they have no right to log and dig through all of the user's activities. I also highly doubt they'll catch every single person.</span>
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    The MPAA is now accusing TorrentSpy of concealing evidence. Atleast they're trying not to give everyone up :/

    http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-972....html?tag=head
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    I don't blame them if they are "concealing evidence." They have a right to. I wouldn't give up my user's information, that should and is private to the user and the website to which the user allows to know some information.

    I'm tired of these fucked up corporations thinking they have a right to infringe on other peoples lives. When will they learn when that when people watching a movie for free is good for them, since it helps the movie. I've seen episodes of shows I thought I would hate (Sopranos for example right now, the ending makes me want to see the other seasons.) I just want to get it through to them that allow people to download these movies and songs, and then even upload them and put in an ad before every 10 or so plays or even a "donate to" button for the movie companies.

    Fucking Bullshit.
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    I agree, torrent sites should stick to their confidentiality agreements, not just crumble the first time they get a little bit of legal heat on them. I agree on that Sopranos thing too, the last episode has me wanting to watch the entire series <_< I might just download a few episodes.
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    I'm downloading the first season now.

    Then if I like THAT then I'll buy the rest of the seasons on DVD.

    See RIAA/MPAA torrenting can "help" you assfucks, remember that.
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  14. #14 Judge wants TorrentSpy to become an MPAA spy 
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    I wish we could actually do something significant to protest the MPAA/RIAA... but it's so hard to get people to agree to do something... protests and boycotts just aren't easy with so many people in the USA... and sometimes people agree to do something just to piss you off by not doing it at all.

    This is what the US has become... a plutocracy...
    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=plutocracy

    And it's slowly becoming a type of horrible plutocratic, police-surveillance state. The government and the very wealthy have too much power. :(
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