A question about PSX games for the PSP

Gadget1 · 08-30-2008, 10:10 PM

So we all know it is piracy to have PSX games in EBOOT format for the psp if you do not own the game, right?!

That is correct to my knowledge, now this is what brings my confusion on...

For example I will be using Grand Theft Auto 1 for my question.

Ok if you go to Rockstar Classics - Free Downloads you can download GTA1 for FREE for your PC!!! FREE right from the maker of the game, no need for credit cards or anything, nothing of cost at all! ! !!

If you click on the

Then it brings you to the page where you can download the game for FREE...

So does this make owning this game & others the companies allow you to download for free, illegal? So since this is a FREE game couldn't we post links of these eboots that you can download for free? I mean it is not piracy, there giving it away for free...I am sure there are others out there as well, just @ Rockstars alone they offer 3 free games...

SO what do you guys think, is it or is it NOT piracy ? ? That is my question...

I am curious to what you all have to say about this topic...

Tets · 08-30-2008, 10:18 PM

The PC versions are free for anyone to download now, but unless Rockstar says otherwise, the PS1 versions are not. They still reserve the right to sell those versions, and I wouldn't be surprised to find them on the PS Store some day. So yes, it is still piracy.

Master15 · 08-30-2008, 10:21 PM

Well i think you can only get free games from ether an illegal site or a site that gives games that ether the makers don't know about or the games are allowed to be downloaded so if you ofer a game download and the game isn't allowed to be downloaded for free regardless if it's unhacked or not it's still piracy like it's been hard for me to find a download of super smash bros for the n64 cause of some EA protected but i finally found it

tomaversa · 08-30-2008, 10:54 PM

i dont know if this is true for all roms, but technically u can download any n64 rom, at least if its not ESA protected, completely legally, as long as u delete it off ur computer in less than 24 hours

Bewood · 08-30-2008, 11:13 PM

Whats up with the 24 hours thing?

tomaversa · 08-30-2008, 11:15 PM

i dont know, but those are apparently the rules. kinda wierd though

Tets · 08-31-2008, 12:08 AM

The "24 hour rule" is and always has been false. It is no more than a fake rule that video game pirates came up with back in the day when they still felt they had to convince people that what they were doing was legal. It's not used so much anymore. Maybe the pirates are more shameless or maybe it's just so easy to obtain pirated software that everyone is desensitized to it. Regardless, it never was an actual rule. No commercial game distributor would ever have agreed to terms like that.

Master15, the question is whether or not it is legal to download all versions of the above games even though only the PC versions have been released for free by their developer. Gadget1 isn't just asking if it's OK to download the games because he found them for free on any server. He saw the PC versions are now legitimate freeware (they have been for a few years now) and was asking if that makes it legal to download the PS1 versions. Unfortunately, it does not. I'm not actually sure if it would be within Rockstar's rights to declare the PS1 ports as freeware or if they would need to run that by Sony first, but either way, it's still illegal.

tomaversa · 08-31-2008, 12:14 AM

ohhh opps....nevermind that 24 hour rule than

Master15 · 08-31-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tets

The "24 hour rule" is and always has been false. It is no more than a fake rule that video game pirates came up with back in the day when they still felt they had to convince people that what they were doing was legal. It's not used so much anymore. Maybe the pirates are more shameless or maybe it's just so easy to obtain pirated software that everyone is desensitized to it. Regardless, it never was an actual rule. No commercial game distributor would ever have agreed to terms like that.

Master15, the question is whether or not it is legal to download all versions of the above games even though only the PC versions have been released for free by their developer. Gadget1 isn't just asking if it's OK to download the games because he found them for free on any server. He saw the PC versions are now legitimate freeware (they have been for a few years now) and was asking if that makes it legal to download the PS1 versions. Unfortunately, it does not. I'm not actually sure if it would be within Rockstar's rights to declare the PS1 ports as freeware or if they would need to run that by Sony first, but either way, it's still illegal.

Right sorry and also you can only download a game for free legally if the company who made the game says so. so basicalyy if the company(By company i mean the ones who made the game) says it's legal to download all versions of the above games for free then it's legal but then again they might say that only certain console versions are free so im a bit confused so the best way to know is to call the company and ask them

Gadget1 · 08-31-2008, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tets

Master15, the question is whether or not it is legal to download all versions of the above games even though only the PC versions have been released for free by their developer. Gadget1 isn't just asking if it's OK to download the games because he found them for free on any server. He saw the PC versions are now legitimate freeware and was asking if that makes it legal to download the PS1 versions. Unfortunately, it does not. I'm not actually sure if it would be within Rockstar's rights to declare the PS1 ports as freeware or if they would need to run that by Sony first, but either way, it's still illegal.

Yes you hit the nail on the head with my question, but does it matter what platform the game is issued on, I mean Rockstar owns all rights to the game & they made it & they decided to put it on a PS1 a gameboy advance & a PC...So it is their game not Sony's nor Nintendo's, so why would it not be legal, they are giving it away...

Is it because of the format they're giving it away it? Is that the only format were allowed to have it for free with? What if it was possible for someone to be able to convert their free PC download into an eboot someway or another, then is it ok to have that as a piracy free game on your PSP? Once it is ours we can do w/e ever we want with it...

IDK, it is a fine line I do agree with that & I am not saying it is ok, but who knows maybe it is..?! I guess what it comes down to is if it would hold up in court or not...lol...

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Originally Posted by Master15

you can only download a game for free legally if the company who made the game says so. so basically if the company (By company i mean the ones who made the game) says it's legal to download all versions of the above games for free then it's legal but then again they might say that only certain console versions are free so im a bit confused so the best way to know is to call the company and ask them

How could they only ok it for certain platforms? Does this mean they must acquire some kind of "OK" from the platform's, as you will say, "Companies"? So they can give it away for the PC, Without Microsoft's "OK" but they cant give it away for the PS1 without Sony's ok? Seems like a double standard...Does it not?

Tets · 08-31-2008, 01:59 AM

It absolutely does matter which platform the game is issued on. And Microsoft doesn't own the PC platform. Realistically, no one does. But Sony very obviously does own the Playstation platform. None of those games needed to be licensed by Microsoft to appear on PC because the PC platform is, almost by definition, open. In contrast, the Playstation platform is closed. Software for it is licensed by Sony, much like software for Nintendo consoles is (for the most part) licensed by Nintendo, and so on. Don't quote me on this, but I'm fairly certain that means Rockstar can not release the PS1 versions of these games as freeware without going through Sony first. Like I said, I wouldn't be surprised to see any of those games go up on the PS Store in the near future.

I'm dead certain the people at Rockstar don't even care, from what I've heard they're pretty easy-going, but you're asking about this from a legal standpoint. I'm a far cry from a real lawyer, but this is how I understand it all works.

Master15 · 08-31-2008, 07:20 AM

Sorry if im wrong but like tets says it does matter because i think companies that make the game and companies that make consoles make an agreement to sell there games on the consoles and split the money made by the sells so very much they couldn't offer a free download of a consoles game do to agreements cause the console makers wouldn't like that cause there losing possible muny that way witch make sense cause the pc is open so the companie can offer a free download of the games for the pc since it isn't owned to a one only companie

tomaversa · 08-31-2008, 08:30 AM

to put it in simpler terms....its illegal to download console games, it that about the jist of it?

Gadget1 · 08-31-2008, 05:05 PM

Still, I am curious if someone was able to convert the PC download to a working eboot on the psp, would that also be infringement?

jjjjjjjjj · 08-31-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadget1

Still, I am curious if someone was able to convert the PC download to a working eboot on the psp, would that also be infringement?

if you could make the pc version work on a psp i do not think rockstar would care.
they might even give you a job