[umby24]

^^^

Apple products are not worth it. periods.

Evers.

They all fail.

ALL OF THEM.

[prajul_maniath]

dude if u want to get a comp with style why dont you try for the new dell owned alienware.i hear they are quite good and cheap too.they are awesome to look at also!

[Product F(RED)]

The original deal was a beautiful deal. $600 for Mac, overpriced or not, is a great deal.

[danos]

Originally Posted by Product F(RED)

The original deal was a beautiful deal. $600 for Mac, overpriced or not, is a great deal.

what in a mac pc make them so expensive, what advantages does it have.

[Product F(RED)]

Well, a very large part of the price can be attributed mainly to the brand name itself. When people hear "Apple", they think "iPod", "Simplicity", etc, whether or not the adjectives used are necessarily true.

Another thing that brings the price up is the integration of peripherals into the notebook. All Macs, with the exception of the G5 and Mini, come with integrated webcams, DVD burners (they DO come with the Mini and G5), Wifi modules, Accelerometer, Light Sensor, multi-touch pad, and (no longer) Firewire ports. Now, obviously, it doesn't necessarily drive up the price of manufacturing to the point where it costs anywhere near what Apple charges to consumers; This is where the brandname comes into play. When people see the Apple logo, it's easy for them to see why the price is double what it should be.

Apple has some great designs; The Macbooks are beautiful, although the Air is somewhat flawed with lack of optical drive and only 2 USB ports. The iMacs are also great, but the idea of incorporating a fully-functional desktop into a monitor is a bit impractical for high-level consumers (those who are not afraid to get their hands dirty). Actually, it's more like a laptop stuffed into a monitor, since the parts are very similar to what's used in their Macbook lines.

Basically, yes you're getting a lot in your Macbook, but the price is mostly because of the Apple name and simple design.

[KmR]

Originally Posted by prajul_maniath

dude if u want to get a comp with style why dont you try for the new dell owned alienware.i hear they are quite good and cheap too.they are awesome to look at also!

Yeah it's real cool to have a laptop that looks like that. Haha I wouldn't ever buy one just based on the nerdy and corny look. Dell's Studio XPS looks MUCH nicer. The original XPS though, horribly ugly.

[blackrok15]

Ug I'm expecting to get flamed...hardcore by this but here it goes...

Macs are overall pretty good computers although overpriced they do come with advantages one being Ilife...dude...garageband (does that come with all of 'em yet?) They are also amazing for photo/video editing but on more of a professional basis...stuff that most of us probebly would never use. I'll repeat this again but also audio editing/composing shit like that...it pwns. Ever since they signed with Intel as well, their processing speeds are much better. (wouldn't it be kinda cool though, to see an AMD mac?...maybe knock down the price a bit) Graphic cards are usually pretty good...maybe not great but you'll never see anything lower than 256mb although probebly not higher than 1gb. Also, I'm not implying that I support this but piracy is safer on a mac because to my knowledge you can't get a virus on a mac (at least the older ones not sure if hackers caught on) Even for someone who's not a pirate... porn get's dangerous

In my honest opinion if I were to get a Mac (and I couldn't afford one if my life depended on it...) I'd go ALL out and get a bad ass macbook pro for like $4000 (rough estimate). As far as the OS is concerned I'd experiment with dualbooting XP (I'm not sure if you can with vista yet I don't know too much about it but...why would you want vista?)

As far as Alienware they're for the mostpart pretty kick ass outta the box. Their have been reports (I think it was Alienware correct me if I'm wrong) that some of 'em need fan/powersuppy upgrades due to some overheating issues...nothing crazy though.

I don't own a mac simply because I don't have the money nor do I really think I'd use it to it's full potential so I'll just be cheap and get an HP.

[KmR]

I hate your argument that Macs are better for audio/video editing. Windows has the whole Adobe CS4 Suite, Sony Vegas, etc. I didn't know iMovie was professional grade, wait, it's not even close that's right.

And no, Garageband is part of iLife. Meaning, you have to pay for it still.

[Grandcruiser]

Originally Posted by KmR

I hate your argument that Macs are better for audio/video editing. Windows has the whole Adobe CS4 Suite, Sony Vegas, etc. I didn't know iMovie was professional grade, wait, it's not even close that's right.

And no, Garageband is part of iLife. Meaning, you have to pay for it still.

I believe he was talking about Final Cut as it is the professional grade software made by Apple. It also only works on Macs which is a bummer because I would really like to try it out.

Also, I think Alienwares are a bit overpriced. I'd rather buy from iBuyPower or some other custom computer builder.

[KmR]

Yeah Final Cut is good. Forgot about that. But honestly, Vegas and After Effects can get the job done. They're incredible pieces of software.

And for Alienware, the only plus is the freedom to overclock. Well I would think so. I've never used one. I would hope you can have full access to the BIOS due to a much better motherboard.

[helmutt165]

I don't know exactly why some people hate Macs, and vice versa. I grew up learning PCs my entire life, but now own an intel iMac, and I absolutely love it. True, Apple hardware can be pricey, but a worthwhile investment. Running Parallels or Boot Camp is useful to get the best of Windows and OSX software. Apple has always been a leading forefront of design, and have an assortment of sharp looking products. ...But I guess that's half the price tag.

Mac needs to get into the tablet drawing, swivel laptops now...

[KmR]

Because getting a Mac is like getting a really expensive Netbook. You're only gonna be able to use it for the core fundamental uses of normal day computing. Now if in fact you want to use one for serious photo/video editing, etc., you're gonna have to shell out extra thousands. Whereas a PC, you can get for MUCH cheaper, or just straight up make one.

I think my biggest pet peeve about Macs is that you are buying an OS, not a computer. Computers can be easily upgrade, customized, etc. Not so much with Macs.

Macs are great for the less technical minded individual which is fine. And of course you're right, they're gorgeous pieces of hardware.

[Skv012a]

Originally Posted by umby24

Apple products are not worth it. periods.

Evers.

They all fail.

ALL OF THEM.

^^^ exactly.

Since my GF had to get a macbook I dread every time I have to use it. Everything about it irritates the hell out of me- the mouse pad, OS, fact that there are hardly any decent apps shared between it and the rest of the technological world, and the list can go on and on. Bottom line is its cheaper, easier, and better to simply learn to manage and keep windows clean than get a mac for its moronic simplicity. If using folder trees escapes you, maybe you should just stay away from comps lol.

[umby24]

Originally Posted by blackrok15

Ug I'm expecting to get flamed...hardcore by this but here it goes...

Macs are overall pretty good computers although overpriced they do come with advantages one being Ilife...dude...garageband (does that come with all of 'em yet?) They are also amazing for photo/video editing but on more of a professional basis...stuff that most of us probebly would never use. I'll repeat this again but also audio editing/composing shit like that...it pwns. Ever since they signed with Intel as well, their processing speeds are much better. (wouldn't it be kinda cool though, to see an AMD mac?...maybe knock down the price a bit) Graphic cards are usually pretty good...maybe not great but you'll never see anything lower than 256mb although probebly not higher than 1gb. Also, I'm not implying that I support this but piracy is safer on a mac because to my knowledge you can't get a virus on a mac (at least the older ones not sure if hackers caught on) Even for someone who's not a pirate... porn get's dangerous

In my honest opinion if I were to get a Mac (and I couldn't afford one if my life depended on it...) I'd go ALL out and get a bad ass macbook pro for like $4000 (rough estimate). As far as the OS is concerned I'd experiment with dualbooting XP (I'm not sure if you can with vista yet I don't know too much about it but...why would you want vista?)

As far as Alienware they're for the mostpart pretty kick ass outta the box. Their have been reports (I think it was Alienware correct me if I'm wrong) that some of 'em need fan/powersuppy upgrades due to some overheating issues...nothing crazy though.

I don't own a mac simply because I don't have the money nor do I really think I'd use it to it's full potential so I'll just be cheap and get an HP.

Obv. Someone doesn't know their OS knowlage very well, But the reason a mac doesn't get virus's is NOT because of the hardware.

If you install windows on a mac, congrades, you can get virus's again.

The reason Mac's, and Linux computers as well, Cannot get virus's, is simply because they can't run .EXE files.

(Unless used with Wine, but w/e)


And what are the majority of virus's come as? .Exe files.



Mac is built off a UNIX base, as is linux, but linux modifyed Unix, and made it linux, then they opened it up (Open source) and put it out for free.



So basicly you don't want Virus's, and you don't need as much windows programs, Try Wubi (Wubi - Ubuntu Installer for Windows).


The pricing on macs is still over 9000, and its stupid. Apple brand name or not.

[Geek9]

Originally Posted by umby24

Obv. Someone doesn't know their OS knowlage very well, But the reason a mac doesn't get virus's is NOT because of the hardware.

If you install windows on a mac, congrades, you can get virus's again.

The reason Mac's, and Linux computers as well, Cannot get virus's, is simply because they can't run .EXE files.

(Unless used with Wine, but w/e)


And what are the majority of virus's come as? .Exe files.



Mac is built off a UNIX base, as is linux, but linux modifyed Unix, and made it linux, then they opened it up (Open source) and put it out for free.



So basicly you don't want Virus's, and you don't need as much windows programs, Try Wubi (Wubi - Ubuntu Installer for Windows).


The pricing on macs is still over 9000, and its stupid. Apple brand name or not.

that's kinda true, its not that virus only come in .exe flavors, its more that Mac had a MUCH smaller audience and therefore less hackers out to cause damage, but the new Snow Leopard actually shipped with an antivirus of sorts so they're on their way to understanding Window's pain, Macs have a niche and they fit that niche well, but I dislike the computer because its products are very expensive and have few options, and the fact that they assume that windows is just a piece of junk, Microsoft has to design an OS that will run 100000s of different possibilities, but Macs usually build the computer for the OS, so they have better performance